[REPLAY] Expert on Influence and Persuasion: Data Isn’t Always The Answer – The 3-Part Influence Equation
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In preparation for our very special guest, Dr. Robert Cialdini, in episode 50, today, host Howie is hitting replay on his interview with Steve Martin, an expert on influence and persuasion and the CEO of Influence At Work, who learned and closely collaborated with Dr. Robert Cialdini.
They delve into how the answer isn’t always more data, what it actually takes to ethically persuade someone, and the power of story to bring someone to your side. The discussion emphasizes that having a compelling case is not enough to influence and persuade people.
Steve dropped one of the most underrated gems of the show in this episode, so it's worth listening to again. He breaks down what it takes to truly influence and persuade someone with the three-part influence equation + the biggest mistakes people make when trying to persuade others–and how to avoid them.
Episode Breakdown:
04:12 How Steve ended up in the world of persuasion and influence
07:09 What most don’t know about Cialdini’s revolutionary book, Influence
10:54 Having a compelling case is actually not enough
18:34 How to be an influential individual or brand–not just now but in the long run
21:54 The influence equation: how it came to be and what it’s all about
27:20 Applying the influence equation with real-life examples
31:34 How context affects influence and persuasion
34:47 The essential role of story in successful influence
36:58 The 2 biggest mistakes that keep you from the outcome you want
45:41 The messenger traits that make people listen
51:41 The one skill that’s always in high demand–even in the age of AI
59:43 How to guarantee the best results
1:07:09 A letter to Steve Martin’s younger self
From Our Guest:
Find all his books here.
Check out Steve Martin’s course for The Economist, Influence and persuasion in business.
Catch up with my interview with Will Storr in episode 17 of the podcast.
Quotes:
“There are a set of universal human-centric principles that underpin and guide all successful influence and persuasion, and anyone that learns about them, uses them effectively, efficiently, ethically, can improve their success at work, at home, in their personal lives, and their business life.” – Steve Martin
“ This idea that we may have a compelling case to make, but recognize that having a compelling case to make is not the same as making your case in a compelling way.” – Steve Martin
“Sometimes we do have to take our ego out of the situation and hand it off to someone else who will do arguably a more persuasive job for us. And by the way, when we do that, everyone wins.” – Steve Martin
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